RightSideRedux.com - NSA Program - Pro and Con

SOLID ARGUMENTS - updated 2/21/06 7:41AM EST

PRO-Eavesdropping
Sources
Timeline

1995 - Janet Reno outlines constricted surveillance procedures between law enforcement

2001 - Patriot Act signed after Sept 11th attacks

2001 - Justice Dept. (Pres. Bush) submits surveillance requests under looser rules from the Patriot Act

2001 - FISA rejects new requests

2002 - In March, Justice informs FISA of the new standards. In May FISA orders modifications, reaffiring the old "wall": "law enforcement officials shall not make recommendations to intelligence officials concerning the initiation, operation, continuation or expansion of FISA searches or surveillances"

2002 - In July Justice files a surveillance application without the recommended changes from FISA. FISA makes its decision public in August, demanding the changes again.

2002 - In September, a Court of Review ensues. Olson says that the FISA demands are "inexplicable".

2002 - November ruling by the Court of Review came down strongly in favor of the administration, indicating that FISA "had erred". As York points out "Not only could the FISA Court not tell the president how do to his work, the Court of Review said, but the president also had the “inherent authority” under the Constitution to conduct needed surveillance without obtaining any warrant — from the FISA Court or anyone else."

taken from NR 2/27/06 Byron York

Congress can't keep secrets very well. "First of all, the Founding Fathers knew from experience that Congress could not keep secrets. In 1776, Benjamin Franklin and his four colleagues on the Committee of Secret Correspondence unanimously concluded that they could not tell the Continental Congress about covert assistance being provided by France to the American Revolution, because "we find by fatal experience that Congress consists of too many members to keep secrets." - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05
Federalist 64 "When the Constitution was being ratified, John Jay--America's most experienced diplomat and George Washington's first choice to be secretary of state--wrote in Federalist No. 64 that there would be cases in which "the most useful intelligence" may be obtained if foreign sources could be "relieved from apprehensions of discovery," and noted there were many "who would rely on the secrecy of the president, but who would not confide in that of the Senate." He then praised the new Constitution for so distributing foreign-affairs powers that the president would be able "to manage the business of intelligence in such manner as prudence may suggest." - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05
Congress has crossed the line before "Space does not permit a discussion here of the congressional lawbreaking that took place in the wake of the Vietnam War. It is enough to observe that the Constitution is the highest law of the land, and when Congress attempts to usurp powers granted to the president, its members betray their oath of office. In certain cases, such as the War Powers Resolution and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, it might well have crossed that line." Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05
AUMF

""[T]he President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States."

"We cannot fight a war blind. Because communications intelligence activities constitute, to use the language of Hamdi, a fundamental incident of waging war, the AUMF clearly and unmistakably authorizes such activities directed against the communications of our enemy.

Prize case "The President is not only authorized but bound to resist by force .... without waiting for any special legislative authority"
Program is crucial to our national security President Bush '06 State of the Union: "the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk. Revealing classified information is illegal, alerts our enemies, and endangers our country."Asst. Attorney General to Judicial Committee
Situation constitutes a special need " Foreign intelligence collection, especially in the midst of an armed conflict in which the adversary has already launched catastrophic attacks within the United States, fits squarely within the "special needs" exception to the warrant requirement. Foreign intelligence collection undertaken to prevent further devastating attacks on our Nation serves the highest government purpose through means other than traditional law enforcement. "Asst. Attorney General to Judicial Committee
Any ambiguity in AUMF should side with executive powers. "Accordingly, any ambiguity as to whether the AUMF is a statute that satisfies the requirements of FISA and allows electronic surveillance in the conflict with al Qaeda without complying with FISA procedures must be resolved in favor of an interpretation that is consistent with the President's long-recognized authority." -Asst. Attorney General to Judicial Committee
FISA section 18 " By expressly and broadly excepting from its prohibition electronic surveillance undertaken "as authorized by statute," section 109 of FISA permits an exception to the "procedures" of FISA referred to in 18 U.S.C. § 2511 (2)(f) where authorized by another statute, even if the other authorizing statute does not specifically amend section 2511 (2)(f)."Asst. Attorney General to Judicial Committee
FISA was never intended to limit Executive powers "FISA was NEVER INTENDED to supercede a President’s Constitutional authority (numerous lower court rulings have deferred to that presumed authority with regard to foreign intel surveillance)—and, when extended into the realm of military surveillance in a time of war, may well be unconstitutional on its face." - blog - Protein Wisdom
Domestic spying is limited "the agency’s recent domestic eavesdropping is focused on a limited group of people. Americans come to the program’s attention only if they have received a call or e-mail message from a person overseas who is already suspected to be a member of certain terrorist groups or linked somehow to a member of such groups." - NY Times Article
Program is reviewed and scrutinized closely

"The program is monitored by lawyers, reauthorized every 45 days by the President and has been discussed with both Congress and the FISA court itself. The Administration even decided against warrantless wiretaps on al Qaeda suspects communicating entirely within the U.S., though we’d argue that that too would be both constitutional and prudent." - WSJ 2/15

"The official emphasized that people whose communications were intercepted under the special program had to have a link to Al Qaeda or a related group, even if indirectly" from NY Times

Carter and Clinton's Attorney General admitted that the President does have authority

"Keep in mind that while the Carter administration asked Congress to enact the FISA statute in 1978, Attorney General Griffin Bell emphasized that the law "does not take away the power of the president under the Constitution." And in 1994, when the Clinton administration invited Congress to expand FISA to cover physical as well as electronic searches, the associate attorney general testified: "Our seeking legislation in no way should suggest that we do not believe we have inherent authority" under the Constitution. "We do," she concluded." Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05

"As federal judge and former Deputy Attorney General Laurence Silberman explained in his 1978 testimony on FISA, the President is accountable to the voters if he abuses surveillance power. Fear of exposure or political damage are powerful disincentives to going too far. But judges, who are not politically accountable, have no similar incentives to strike the right balance between intelligence needs and civilian privacy. This is one reason the Founders gave the judiciary no such plenary powers." - WSJ 2/15

Truong Court gives the President authority to do this

"kay, just for the benefit of the audience, the Truong Court, as did all other courts that have decided the issue, held that the president did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless surveillance to obtain foreign intelligence information. We take for granted that the president does have that authority, and asserting that is so, FISA could not encroach on the president's Constitutional authority." - Hewitt Jan 06

"In the 1980 Truong case, the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the warrantless surveillance of a foreign power, its agent or collaborators (including U.S. citizens) when the "primary purpose" of the intercepts was for "foreign intelligence" rather than law enforcement purposes. Every court of appeals that has considered the issue has upheld an inherent presidential power to conduct warrantless foreign intelligence searches; and in 2002 the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, created by the FISA statute, accepted that "the president does have that authority" and noted "FISA could not encroach on the president's constitutional power." - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05

Section 1811 of FISA "Section 1811 of the FISA statute recognizes that during a period of authorized war the president must have some authority to engage in electronic surveillance "without a court order." - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05
15 days issue "The question is whether Congress had the power to limit such authorizations to a 15-day period, which I think highly doubtful. It would be akin to Congress telling the president during wartime that he could attack a particular enemy stronghold for a maximum of 15 days." - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05
Katz "As Justice Byron White recognized almost 40 years ago, Presidents have long exercised the authority to conduct warrantless surveillance for national security purposes, and a warrant is unnecessary "if the President of the United States or his chief legal officer, the Attorney General, has considered the requirements of national security and authorized electronic surveillance as reasonable." Asst. Attorney General to Judicial Committee
Any legislative effort would have been unwise "Any legislative change, other than the AUMF, that the President might have sought specifically to create such an early warning system would have been public and would have tipped off our enemies concerning our intelligence limitations and capabilities." Asst. Attorney General to Judicial Committee
Every court has granted the President this right

"Our Constitution is the supreme law, and it cannot be amended by a simple statute like the FISA law. Every modern president and every court of appeals that has considered this issue has upheld the independent power of the president to collect foreign intelligence without a warrant." - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05

" This constitutional authority includes the authority to order warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance within the United States, as all federal appellate courts, including at least four circuits, to have addressed the issue have concluded."Asst. Attorney General to Judicial Committee

There is a balance to be had, but it lands squarely in favor of these warantless searches "Ultimately, as the courts have noted, the test is whether the legitimate government interest involved--in this instance, discovering and preventing new terrorist attacks that may endanger tens of thousands of American lives--outweighs the privacy interests of individuals who are communicating with al Qaeda terrorists. " - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05
Leaking this information is near espionage "The leakers of this sensitive national security activity and their Capitol Hill supporters seem determined to guarantee al Qaeda a secure communications channel into this country so long as they remember to include one sympathetic permanent resident alien not previously identified by NSA or the FBI as a foreign agent on their distribution list." - Turner, WSJ, 12/28/05
Need to keep secrets secret The United States is entitled to keep secret practices, policies and information related to the national security.
Complex issue "Here is a rough guide: (1) Did the AUMF authorize his action? (2) If not, does the Constitution give the President inherent authority to do what he did? (3) If the answer to (1) or (2) is yes, does his action violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)? (4) If the answer to (3) is yes, is FISA constitutional, or is it inconsistent with the President's inherent authority? (5) If the answer to (1) or (2) is yes, does the wiretapping nonetheless violate the Fourth Amendment?" Liberal Law professor Cass Sunstein
Youngstown and Tube "if you will go and read the Youngstown Sheet and Tube case, you will see that if the president has any backing from Congress for the idea that he's acting with authority, he's in Zone 1, at the greatest flood. It's in the decision. You just can't pretend it's not there." - Hewitt Jan 06
Madison quote "It's actually from his Letter of Helvitius, replying to Hamilton's argument in support of George Washington's neutrality proclamation. And the Madisonian Letter of Helvitius has been repudiated by Constitutional scholars as wrong. So you're quoting a 1793 discredited argument by Madison in support of a proposition he did not support..." - Hewitt
President has ample authority.

"As the Commander-in-Chief in wartime, he has the right to use force against entities/parties that are waging war against the U.S. Since the United States was attacked on September 11, the president can use force to wage a defensive war entirely on his own authority." - Rivkin 1/31/06

Bush can derive this power from the congressional authorization of war.

"The fact that Congress passed the Authorization to Use Force Resolution manifests a joint action by both political branches, reinforces the president's inherent authority, and puts him in the Youngstown's upper quadrant." Rivkin 1/31/06

The intelligence gathered is battlefield intelligence. "the NSA warrantless collection program is limited to battlefield intelligence and specifically excludes surveillance of those numerous terrorist groups which are not belligerents in this war--is a key aspect of any use of force" Rivkin 1/31/06
This type of surveillence has been done since the beginning of the country

 

Commander-in-Chief powers are severely degraded if he loses this power.

"If such authority can be denied to the president or subjected to onerous regulation, his C-in-C powers would be entirely vitiated." Rivkin 1/31/06

FISA does not regulate this type of intelligence. "it is not obvious that the 1978 FISA even tries to regulate the gathering of battlefield/military intelligence, as distinct from the collection of foreign intelligence." Rivkin 1/31/06
FISA should be contrued narrowly "The statutory language is silent as to this possibility, and, insofar as the statute purports to regulate the areas implicating the president's plenary constitutional authority, it ought to be construed narrowly and cautiously. " Rivkin 1/31/06
FISA has impeded anti-terrorist activities "We already know FISA impeded intelligence gathering before 9/11. It was the reason FBI agents decided not to tap the computer of alleged 20th hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui. And it contributed to the NSA’s decision not to listen to foreign calls to actual hijacker Khalid al-Midhar, despite knowing that an al Qaeda associate by that name was in the country. The NSA feared being accused of “domestic spying.” - WSJ 2/15
FISA has constitutional issues "What FISA boils down to is an attempt to further put the executive under the thumb of the judiciary, and in unconstitutional fashion. The way FISA works is that it gives a single judge the ability to overrule the considered judgment of the entire executive branch. In the case of the NSA wiretaps, the Justice Department, NSA and White House are all involved in establishing and reviewing these wiretaps. Yet if a warrant were required, one judge would have the discretion to deny any request." - WSJ 2/15
Battlefield is the US

"It is precisely because of this targeted focus of al Qaeda's efforts that intercepting their U.S.-related communications is of such battlefield value. " Rivkin 1/31/06

This is intelligence gathering 101

"To summarize this point, gathering info on enemy communications in and around his preferred target area is the core of battlefield intelligence acquisition--this is what military intel officers do for a living. " - Rivkin 1/31/06

Hamdi has nothing to do with the issue

"(By the way, the Hamdi case never suggested that the battlefield in this war was limited to Afghanistan. The Court properly limited/caveated its holding to the facts in the Hamdi case, which involved the battlefield capture in Afghanistan. This judicial modesty is actually quite refreshing in today's environment." - Rivkin 1/31/06

Powers given by congress should be construed broadly (e.g. Hamdi)

"The reason for the Court's conclusion in Hamdi is quite obvious--when Congress uses sweeping language to confer power on the president, especially in an area where the president already has an ample authority of his own, the language ought to be construed broadly." - Rivkin 1/31/06

Demanding FISA-driven battlefield warrants is unconstitutional

"In this case, construing FISA as requiring a warrant as the exclusive venue for battlefield intel collection would surely render unconstitutional. " - Rivkin 1/31/06

Founders wanted a strong executive

"In my view, the Framers' core purpose was to create a strong and independent executive, with the particularly formidable foreign/defense powers--the lack of such an executive was one of the key flaws of the Articles of Confederation. " - Rivkin 1/31/06

Giving too many powers to FISA impairs the president's wartime powers

" Applying the FISA framework to the wartime battlefield intel gathering implicates a fundamentally different calculus, if only because it impairs the president's wartime abilities to an enormous degree. " - Rivkin 1/31/06

Article II does give serious powers to the President "I do not know many scholars who seriously contend that the commander-in-chief clause of Article II does not vest the president with enormous substantive powers. " - Rivkin 1/31/06

Polls show Americans support the policy "And the polls show that a majority of Americans want their government to eavesdrop on al Qaeda suspects, even—or should we say, especially—if they’re talking to one of their dupes or sympathizers here in the U.S." - WSJ 2/15
   
   
 
CON-Eavesdropping
Sources
FISA only makes wartime powers present for the first 15 days of the war and is the only means for Federal surveillance "With minor exceptions, FISA authorizes electronic surveillance only upon certain specified showings, and only if approved by a court. The statute specifically allows for warrantless wartime domestic electronic surveillance--but only for the first fifteen days of a war. It makes criminal any electronic surveillance not authorized by statute, id. § 1809; and it expressly establishes FISA and specified provisions of the federal criminal code (which govern wiretaps for criminal investigation) as the "exclusive means by which electronic surveillance ... may be conducted," 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(f) (emphasis added)." - letter from scholars
Rather than follow the congressional route, the President chose to go beyond "Congress explained that if the President needed further warrantless surveillance during wartime, the fifteen days would be sufficient for Congress to consider and enact further authorization. Rather than follow this course, the President acted unilaterally and secretly in contravention of FISA's terms. The DOJ letter remarkably does not even mention FISA's fifteen-day war provision, which directly refutes the President's asserted "implied" authority." - letter from scholars
AUMF does not authorize the President for warentless searches "But the AUMF cannot reasonably be construed to implicitly authorize warrantless electronic surveillance in the United States during wartime, where Congress has expressly and specifically addressed that precise question in FISA and limited any such warrantless surveillance to the first fifteen days of war." - letter from scholars
AUMF cannot be construed when FISA specifically specified wartime efforts "But the AUMF cannot reasonably be construed to implicitly authorize warrantless electronic surveillance in the United States during wartime, where Congress has expressly and specifically addressed that precise question in FISA and limited any such warrantless surveillance to the first fifteen days of war." - letter from scholars
"Battlefield intelligence" does not fly

"That limitation could refer merely to information that is gathered by intelligence in Afghanistan, Iraq, or other foreign locations. Or it could refer to any intelligence effort anywhere at any time; on the ground in terrorist situations, all the world is a battlefield on which the Commander-in-Chief occupies central stage." - Epstein 1/31/06

No safeguards in place "The absence of meaningful safeguards on the NSA program at a minimum raises serious questions about the validity of the program under the Fourth Amendment, and therefore supports an interpretation of the AUMF that does not undercut FISA's regulation of such conduct." - letter from scholars
Special Needs do not apply here "But the existence of "special needs" has never been found to permit warrantless wiretapping. "Special needs" generally excuse the warrant and individualized suspicion requirements only where those requirements are impracticable and the intrusion on privacy is minimal. See, e.g., Griffin v. Wisconsin, 483 U.S. 868, 873 (1987)." - letter from scholars
Getting FISA permission is not that hard "For example, although FISA generally requires judicial approval for electronic surveillance of persons within the United States, it permits the executive branch to install a wiretap immediately so long as it obtains judicial approval within 72 hours. 50 U.S.C. § 1805(f).) " - letter from scholars
No Constitutional issue with Article II, AUMF and FISA "Construing FISA and the AUMF according to their plain meanings raises no serious constitutional questions regarding the President's duties under Article II. Construing the AUMF to permit unchecked warrantless wiretapping without probable cause, however, would raise serious questions under the Fourth Amendment." - letter from scholars
Hamdi case speaks against this type of intelligence.

"That broad construction seems quite at variance with the Supreme Court's own more cautious views in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (2004), where the ability to detain American citizens captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan was set in conscious opposition to the worldwide definition of "battlefield" on which David seems to rely." Epstein 1/31/06

"It is one thing, however, to say that foreign battlefield capture of enemy combatants is an incident of waging war that Congress intended to authorize. It is another matter entirely to treat unchecked warrantless domestic spying as included in that authorization, especially where an existing statute specifies that other laws are the "exclusive means" by which electronic surveillance may be conducted and provides that even a declaration of war authorizes such spying only for a fifteen-day emergency period." - letter from scholars

FISA does cover domestic spying

"There seems to be little doubt that the elaborate mechanisms set out in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, no matter what we think of their merits, were meant to cover domestic surveillance." - Epstein 1/31/06

The debate is around domestic spying

" FISA does not deal with any effort to track calls that begin against al Qaeda cells outside the United States, which then lead to the United States. FISA only deals with situations where the target of the surveillance is a U.S. person or where that surveillance is "acquired in the United States." The debate over the legality of president's action covers only those last two categories of cases, not everything done by the NSA." - Epstein 1/31/06

Defenders are reading too much into the C-in-C clause "it is a mistake to read the Commander-in-Chief clause as though it blocks the power of Congress to regulate." Epstein 1/31/06

 

Use of intelligence vs. Separation of Powers

"The use of intelligence is obviously common in war, but the separation of powers question is not answered by that observation. " Epstein 1/31/06

True conservatives should be with us on this "ook, this is a basic question of whether one is a traditional, a limited government conservative who believes in James Madison, and what an originalist, what the founders wanted, or whether one's an authority conservative. Now I know you're an authority conservative. It's the difference between a Goldwater conservative and a Nixon conservative. " Alter on the Hugh Hewitt show
James Madison in favor of congressional powers of war "In no part of the Constitution is more wisdom to be found than in the clause which confides the question of war and peace to the legislative and not to the executive branch." quoted in Alter 1/23/06
Not in FISA, not in the constitution

" Implied authorization of executive power is hard to read in the teeth of FISA, and the inherent powers of the president, if such there be, do not give him unquestioned independence for over four years, no matter what rights they confer on him to respond to an immediate emergency." - Epstein 1/31/06

Hamdi makes no case for the President

"There’s no inference that the powers ceded on the battlefield could extend to situations that moved further away from traditional situations of actual combat, which is just as it should be." - Epstein 1/31/06

Pro-folk misinterpret the constitution

"The president does have in Article II a power to grant reprieves and pardons, which should be construed as plenary, so that Congress could not limit it by statute. But in his role as commander-in-chief, he has no special powers not given to other generals so that we don’t get into the situation. " - Epstein 1/31/06

Why didn't he ammend FISA "I can even understand why he failed to offer an opinion on why Bush didn't simply seek to amend FISA (which Congress would have eagerly done after 9/11) if he believed his tools for catching terrorists were insufficient." - Alter 1/23/06
Not about NOT fighting terror

"Remember, this is not about whether it's right or wrong to wiretap bad guys, though the White House hopes to frame it that way for political purposes. Any rational person wants the president to be able to hunt for Qaeda suspects wherever they lurk. The "momentous" issue (Alito's words) is whether this president, or any other, has the right to tell Congress to shove it. And even if one concedes that wartime offers the president extra powers to limit liberty, what happens if the terrorist threat looks permanent? We may be scrapping our checks and balances not just for a few years (as during the Civil War), but for good." - Alter 1/23/06

 

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